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11 Skills AI Will Never Replace: Skill #11 Learning Agility

Welcome to The Learn-It-All Podcast’s 11 Skills AI Will Never Replace – our 11-part special series exploring the essential human skills that AI cannot replicate. With the start of the new year, we’re all facing unprecedented technological disruption and workplace transformation. To help you thrive in this new landscape, we’ve leveraged a study from MuchSkills that analyzed data from 28,000 professionals to identify the capabilities that will make you irreplaceable in an AI-enhanced workplace.

Each week, we’ll take a deep dive into one critical skill, providing you with actionable strategies, expert insights, and Learnit’s proprietary frameworks to future-proof your career. This series isn't just about adapting to change – it's about mastering the unique human abilities that will define leadership success in the age of AI.

Learning Agility Makes Your Career Future-Proof

Are you and your team ready to thrive in a world where AI accelerates everything but can't replace the most essential human skills?

In today's rapidly evolving business landscape, the ability to continuously adapt, learn, and grow has never been more crucial for success. But how can you cultivate this skill in yourself and your organization?

In this final episode of the 11 Skills AI Will Never Replace series, host Damon Lembi is joined again by Dr. Mickey Fitch-Collins, Learnit's top-ranked facilitator and leadership expert, to explore learning agility - potentially the most important skill for today's professionals. They share personal experiences, practical strategies, and insights on how individuals and organizations can develop a culture that prioritizes continuous learning. From scheduling dedicated learning time to embracing failure as a growth opportunity, this conversation offers actionable advice for leaders looking to create resilient, adaptable teams ready to navigate constant change.

What You’ll Learn:

  • Why cutting learning and development budgets during tough economic times puts organizations at severe risk.
  • How to identify candidates with learning agility during interviews  
  • Why scheduling dedicated learning time is non-negotiable  
  • The importance of "the power of yet" in developing a growth mindset

In This Episode:

  • 00:01What Is Learning Agility and Why It Matters – How adapting quickly and continuously learning helps individuals and businesses stay relevant.
  • 06:25The Personal Payoff of Lifelong Learning – Mickey shares how embracing learning agility shaped her career path.
  • 12:18The Risks of the “Know-It-All” Mindset – Why fixed thinking and resisting change are career-limiting behaviors.
  • 19:45Three Action Steps to Build Learning Agility – Sponge up knowledge, adopt a growth mindset, and learn with and from others.
  • 28:30Creating a Learning Culture at Work – How leaders can build organizations that support curiosity, experimentation, and collaboration.
  • 33:50Interview Tips to Identify Learn-It-Alls – The best questions leaders can ask to hire growth-minded, coachable people.
  • 46:06Final Thoughts and a Gift for Listeners – Damon and Mickey offer listeners a chance to take a LearnIt class for free.

About Damon Lembi:

Damon Lembi is a 2x bestselling author, the host of The Learn-It-All Podcast, and CEO of Learnit – a live learning platform that has upskilled over 2 million people. Drawing from his prior baseball career, Damon brings an athlete’s perspective to leadership. Through his journey, he has gained invaluable insights into what helps organizations grow, how great leaders learn, and why learn-it-all companies outpace their competitors every time.

About Dr. Mickey Fitch-Collins:

Dr. Mickey Fitch-Collins is a dynamic leadership development expert who serves as a Leadership and Professional Development Facilitator at Learnit. With a PhD in Leadership in Higher Education from Northcentral University focusing on middle manager self-efficacy, her expertise spans performance management, program development, and equity initiatives, while her high-energy approach has proven effective in leading teams across educational institutions and technology companies.

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2025 is here and the pace of change has never been fasterare you ready to thrive in a world where AI accelerates

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everything but can't replace the most essential human skillsthat's why we've created a special 11p part series on the

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learn itall podcast to help you master the skills needed toFuture proof yourself and your career from self-awareness to listening and

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developing trust these are the traits that will make youirreplaceable in an Ever evolving Workforce I'm Damon lby

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CEO of learn it and two-time bestselling author and I'll beyour throughout the series joining me is Dr Mickey Fitz

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Collins learn's top rank facilitator and a leadership expertdedicated to helping you grow this series is brought to you

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in partnership with our good friends at much skills aplatform that helps organizations map and understand their

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Workforce capabilities drawing from Insight from theirsurvey of over 28,000 professionals we'll unpack 11 skills in

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this weekly series that will prepare you to thrive in anEver evolving world if you enjoy this episode please take a

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let's dive into today's top skill our skill that we'retalking about today is learning agility and I really believe

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and I say this on podcast all the time and to the customersI really believe that learning agility could be the

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number one most important skill for today and in the futureso today what

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I'd like to do is have you explain what learning agility isand why it's important

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um and I know that you're also going to share three actionsto take to be a more agile learner so let me just turn it

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over to you yeah yeah right on Damon yeah thank you and yeahI'm super excited to talk about this topic as as

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you'll hear me mention you know I'm sure I'll tell a storyyou know of I uh you know the opportunity to nerd out about

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nerdiness right but um learning agility we oftentimes hearthat word agility or

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agile and we think about like physical fitness or maybe wethink about project management and like the agile style

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really but what we're talking about with learning agilitythis is one of the top skills as you mentioned top skills that

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any professional any industry can exhibit on the day-to-dayto be more successful in their career and

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essentially what agility is is it's about anticipatingchanges Trends working yourself towards them so

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learning building skills retooling yourself Reinventingyourself instead of

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doing what I think a lot of people do which is kind of likeprotect themselves or defend themselves away from that

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change and so agility is about leaning forward and um reallyconnects quite a bit actually to growth mindset and you

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know learning agility as you mentioned is super important umyou know I mean I think about even our our motto at learn

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it companies grow when their people do right you know theorganizations that are successful these days are the ones

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that are investing in their learning from the top all theway down to the bottom and everywhere in between and

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it's it's super critical because our worlds and our ways ofoperating and our ways of doing business are rapidly

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changing and so if we're not learning if we're not keepingup with that if we're not adapting our businesses are over

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with right the skills that we had that were amazing andawesome skills five or 10 years ago may not even be relevant

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skills anymore and you know Damon it's it's really scary andand I don't know

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it's dangerous to me when I see these organizations thatmaybe they're going through I mean there's a lot of companies that are goingthrough tough

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Economic Times right now it is a challenging economy butit's very scary to me when I see organizations that are

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like oh we don't have um we don't have Learning andDevelopment here we cut that out of the budget or um you know

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we're not we're not engaging in in professional conferencesand learning it just costs too much and my response is

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always like how do you actually put a dollar amount on theability for your employees to learn and grow to keep the

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success of your organization alive so I'm really excited totalk about this and like you said I have three action

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steps um that I can share um with you um but I can alsoshare share a little bit of a couple of stories or something if

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we want to go from there well let's start off with a couplestories about

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learning agility and I'm happy to share some as well andthen we'll dive right into the three action steps yeah yeah

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that sounds good you know um when I was thinking about thistopic Damon it it made me think about a book that I know

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is one of your favorite books and one of my favorite booksin fact our first conversation I don't know if you remember this but our firstconversation

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that you and I ever had um I call it a conversation itdidn't feel like an interview but we talked about one of my favorite bookswhich is Ryan holidays

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the obstacle is the way and it was published 10 years agonow which is crazy um we did a book club on it last

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year at learn and one of the things in that book Theobstacle is way the title comes from Marcus aelius um one of the

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ancient Greek stoics right talking about essentially thatthe things that look like they're they're problems in our

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Pathways become the action forward that we need to takeright and and I think about that is such a perfect

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encapsulation and and ever since I read that book 10 yearsago that has become such a a personal motto or ideology of

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if something looks like a problem smells like a problemtastes like a problem touches like a problem it looks like an

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obstacle it's the thing that I need to learn to work throughum I think for a lot of folks these days that maybe is AI

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um that could be different technology systems different waysof doing business certainly four years ago a lot of people

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learning how to work in a work from home virtual environmentbut this is the path forward and you know I I also think

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about for me the big game changer about learning agility umI'm I'm sure that you read this book I'm sure many of our

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listeners have as well too Malcolm Gladwell is the TippingPoint um which I had to look that up that came out in

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2000 which is nuts right like that feels like it just cameout a couple years ago but 24 years ago good old Malcolm

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Gladwell um and he talked about the types of influencerswithin organizations and this connects so much

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to learning agility um one of those types of influencersthat he talked about are information mavens and these

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are people who love to gather up a ton of of information andwhat they do is they help transform and re and and

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reinvent themselves and influence those people around themand that to me is such a perfect definition of learning

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agility I think for me it changed my thought of myself as anerd or geeky or

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something like that to I'm an influencer with action and forme learning about

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information mavens learning about learning agilityabsolutely has been one

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of the keys to my success over the last 20 plus years is myability to learn and influence grow has allowed me to do the

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things that I've been able to do in my career so learningagility is absolutely the gas in the fuel tank for many

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individuals and organizations so um Mickey can you give mean example of

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like you just mentioned that learning has helped you grow inyour career do you have anything that stands out

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specifically yeah I mean I think about something as simpleas YouTube um you know I I anywhere from fixing a broken

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refrigerator to to um you know identify my my early learningum before there

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were courses and workshops about AI stuff I think for bothof us was watching a whole bunch of YouTube videos

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and kind of seeing who's out there talking about whateverand the what I love about that is that you can go out

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to a place like YouTube or something and and just look forother people like you

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that are talking about the topic that you're interested inand people are genuinely interested in sharing their

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knowledge and that has been transformational for me I I'velearned learned so much from different folks that uh function in my role as a

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facilitator or trainer um that has completely changed theway that I think about the work that I do and these

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aren't folks that you know I've not met them in real lifebut again learning agility is about kind of looking at

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opportunities to sponge up information in all sorts ofdifferent Corners so Mickey let's look at it from the reverse

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let's say you're like in my book I like to refer to learn italls versus know-it-alls if you're a know-it-all and

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you're not open to learning what what are the downsides whatcould happen to you as an individual in your career

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yeah yeah the picture that I just got in my head Damon issomebody who's kind of painted into a corner kind of backed

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into a corner um I think for for certain periods of time wecan be relevant and

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subject matter experts on something but if we don't continueto engage in learning and be willing to be flexible

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and and Gumby and nimble like right um what we do is is weback ourselves into a corner and we close ourselves off and

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and those are the folks when I look around at at people thatI know these are the folks that aren't accelerating

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in their careers these are the organizations that aren'tgrowing in the way that they wanted to and I think so

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much of that comes from people's you know I don't need tolearn any new stuff right I'm mid-career I know everything

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that I need to know I'm a vice president to fill in theblank well the problem with that is that people see learning as

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a oneandone sort of activity instead of being you know anagile learner and seeing this as a this is something we do

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every single day of the week no I I think that's great andyou know obviously you and I are on the same page

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one aha moment for me really was when I was about I'm 52 nowand so when I was

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about 38 I've always been a big book reader I you know Ikind of emulated my dad he was a big book reader I was about

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38 years old and I was thinking to myself why am I doing allthis reading and studying and and everything and is

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there really that much more to learn um is it make that muchof a difference and then I came across that great Gandhi

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quote which was Live Like You Will Die Tomorrow learn likeyou will live forever and I really for some reason

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stuck with me and I I just went I just accelerated mylearning from there and I

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I got up to about 40 books a a year and um but one of thethings I want to add

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you know for our listeners out there and we're going to getinto the three steps in a second but we had this guest on the show David Katzand one of my favorite

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quotes of all time is learning without doing is treason soit's one thing to to

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learn but you also got to find a ways to to process it andexecute it but let's

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start off with the learning part what are the three actionsthat an individual can take to be a more agile learner yeah

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absolutely and I love that story and and I love that that uhyou know that uh interview that you had with David that

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has been um a real ideology that I've taken on recently formyself as well and um you know these three action steps

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Amon that I'm going to share with you they're going to startfrom the individual perspective but they're going

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to um the pathway forward is to the organizational piece andso I encourage everybody who's listening and watching

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to think about what does this mean for me but what does thismean for us and in the organization or organizations you're

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part of um the first step that I encourage people to do andI use this word sponge right because that gives us

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such a good visual but you think about a sponge sponging upLiquid sponge up new information wherever you can right the

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traditional thing that a lot of folks think is reading booksright and you and I both incredibly Avid readers audio

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books physical books whatever it might be um you you knowspending a lot of time on AI tools and doing queries right

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oh my gosh you can go down like very deep rabbit holes umwith your different queries you know LinkedIn um I love

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different talk radio shows you know YouTube videos all thissort of stuff the thing that I always tell people

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though is that you need to schedule this in and beintentional about it you can't see learning as this tack on add-on when

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I have some time sort of thing um these earbuds that I'mwearing um are very small and Nimble I keep them in my

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pocket all the time and the reason for that is I never knowwhen I might have an opportunity to listen to five or 10

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minutes of the audiobook that I'm working on or the podcastthat I'm working through right or you know downloading stuff so that when Idon't

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have data service when I'm out walking in the woods orsomething like that um if I don't want to listen to the birds I can listen tomy podcast right but I

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have to schedule it into my calendar you have to beintentional about that there's very few people that just have

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time to sit back and read in a quiet sort of space right youand I both have young kids there's no such thing right

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we have to build this into our lives right the second yeahgo ahead what I'd

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like to add you know for the fir for the first one is forlisteners out there it's also important as you hear Mickey

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and I speak about what works for us it's different foreveryone everybody

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learns differently so maybe reading isn't for you and maybeyou want to watch documentaries maybe you learn from

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being in the flow at work well being in the flow at work isis a really important one for all of us but find

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what works for you you know don't force something you knowif if you don't like reading a physical book and you spend an

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hour doing it and you don't retain anything it's not worthyour time uh what I like to you said Mickey about

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scheduling that time I had a conversation with Andy Storchon this

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podcast as well and Andy said that he carves out 15 to 25minutes every

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morning reading and that compound time has led him to readlike an astronomical

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uh when I say astronomical maybe 30 40 books a year so Ireally think that taking the time and scheduling it and

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keeping to it like for me I like to read for 30 minutesevery morning you know that's my thing I I I get it done I also

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want to point out that having a growth mindset and beingopen you could learn

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from everyone so a lot of times my wife drags me to uhevents that I don't want to go to and sometimes I'm in a bad mood

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about it but a lot of times I I find myself in a situationwith somebody talking about something whether it's art

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or crypto something that I know nothing about it's okay tobe vulnerable and say hey I don't know anything about this and

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but if you actually are present and you're asking questionsand you're listening that's another great opportunity to learn so for you

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listeners out there we're not talking about only learningyou know exactly job related things but just being open to

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learning uh new stuff now let's move on to step number twoyeah step number two

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actually you just mentioned a minute ago Damon which ishaving a growth mindset um and uh you know I think about I for

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for many of us if we're if we're truly honest with our lifeexperiences we've probably learned more from our failures

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and missteps and mistakes than the things that were justoutright successes um I um our our mutual colleague and

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friend Meredith Bell had um your friends uh Jay Dixon on umtalking about helping

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athletes transition into the professional world right andone of the things that he talked about that I just loved was this idea of afailure resume

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um this idea of like understanding and owning those thingswhere you've had those missteps and like what did you

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learn about that and when I talk about growth mindset thebig the big takeaway for me the thing that I would offer to

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everybody is this idea of the power of yet if you add theword yet this is a

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very small linguistic thing but if you add the power of ifyou add the word yet at the end of I don't know how to or I

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can't or whatever that is right essentially what you'redoing is you're opening the door and you're setting a pathway for where youcould be into the

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future right so like I you know I'm not an expert of blahblah blah yet right I

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haven't learned how to blank yet and what that does isinstead of closing

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yourself off from here's these things that I don't know howto do here's these things I haven't learned yet here's these things I'm notexcellent in it's

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essentially saying I'm getting there right like we're allworks in progress so I think a growth mindset is super important recognizingyou know learning

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I know people say learn from your mistakes but truly takinga look at it and saying well that didn't go

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particularly well how do I dissect that understand what thatmeans what do I do with it so that next time it goes from

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being a misstep or a failure to actually being somethingthat's a catalyst for huge success in the future okay yeah I

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love that I love I love that step number two um I hear a lotof great leaders say

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that the real learning takes place out of your comfort zoneyou know just getting out of your comfort zone trying

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things and like you said if if it doesn't work out uh it'sjust not yet uh

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Dan Turner I know we're we're going on down our list DanTurner on on an episode of of of of L podcast said that

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failure is only failure if you don't try or you quit and alot of the best

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learnings come from going out there and and trying things soum I I think that

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that's that's Fant fantastic so let's move on to step numberthree yeah step

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number three and this is where we go kind of really movingfrom the individual to the group or to the

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organization and and that that action step is to learn fromand with other people um there's a great quote uh Bill

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Nye the Science Guy we all know him right he talks abouteach person you meet knows something that you don't right and that's kind ofwhat you talked

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about about going to things that maybe I don't understand orwhatnot but if I can be curious right if I can kind of open

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myself up to everybody that I meet is going to teach mesomething that I don't already know or they're they're going to

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speak about something in a way that I don't understand rightwe all learn things every single day in a way that

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was different from the day before right and when I talkabout learning from other people that's the easier part

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right is is absorbing books watching videos havingconversations grabbing a beer or a coffee with somebody but

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learning with other people is this idea of paying it forwardright um this is one of the things in in Damon I'd like

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I'd love to ask you about this too but this idea of kind oflearning in community or learning within organizations building learningcultures

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um one of the things that um I think that we do very well atlearn it but is this idea of I learned this thing and I

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don't want to keep that to myself I want to pass that backto everybody around me and so here's this video here's a

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voiceover thing that I did of this here I want to showeverybody this not just because we have you know not just

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because we're a Learning and Development company but becausewe're a group of people that want to learn with and from

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each other and so the the idea of kind of gifting that on tosomebody else that's the that's the third action step

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is learning with and from other people and and Damon i' I'dbe curious like how

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do you like how would you recommend from from your VantagePoint how do you how do we set this up within organizations

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how do we build learning cultures within organizations greatquestion and it's

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something that you and I love talking about when it comes tobuilding a learning organiz ation uh a learn itall

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company like we like to call them it starts with leadershipit starts with the sea level and it starts with the CEO

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and I believe it means not not that just they're they'resetting aside funds and

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time uh for their team but I I think that the CEO and thethe other sea level

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suite need to roll up their sleeves and get involved in thelearning and and participate in it join classes or you

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know share uh podcasts that they've listen listen to andthen Champion other people and and recognize other people

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who are getting involved in learning I think that I think itall starts there and like a lot of great leaders I think

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you need to model the behavior of the team that you you wantto have I mean how can you expect people to dive in and

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learn all these things if you're if you're not willing toparticipate yourself I think that that's important I

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also think it's important to if you're trying to have it youknow permeate throughout the organization is you want

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to find a couple uh Champions kind of find a couple peopleinternally who are really willing

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to to take accountability and set up whether it's classes ormentorship

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programs I mean there's so many different ways to go aboutlearning uh there's there's you could work with

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learn it for programs we of course we love that you could docoaching you know one of the if you're on a type budget uh

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one of the things that we like to do is we send somebody toa class it doesn't even have to be a learn it class and

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then they come back and they teach it back and so listenersthink about that you know especially if you're a leader out there um if youhave a tight budget

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send somebody to a conference or a class have them come backand teach everybody else it helps Mak their learning more

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sticky and it Mickey like you said it gives a gift back toeverybody else and it gets all these opportunities to learn

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and I also think it's important that all learning shouldn'tbe just directly on task or work focused um at learn it and

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and I know a lot of other organizations do this as well umthey have a you know a th000 to $2,000 budget maybe a year

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for indiv individual and they're allowed to go take trainingin anything they

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want bringing it all back here Mickey what we're talkingabout is learning agility building the muscle to continue

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to learn it's one thing to pick up the skill which is goingto be irrelevant probably in in six months you know some

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of them um it's another thing to constantly being able tolearn so even if they're not learning something that's

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specific to their job role is still worth the investment asan employer giving them the opportunity and get

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people hungry and excited about learning and so those aresome of the steps I'm

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curious to hear if you have any stories um that go alongwith this well Damon

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you know it just made me think about you and I um you knowwe have some favorite books in common but one of the topics

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that you and I both have in common that we like to learnlearn a lot about is World War II um and again I remember

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that from our first conversation and I think about and I'veheard you a lot that first conversation we did yeah yeah

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we we sure did that's I think we were a hookline and sinkeron each other at that point um but I think about you know

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World War II obviously it's it's many many years have passedright 80 80 years

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since D-Day right just a couple of months ago and um butthere's so much

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this is a significant event the past but here we are in ourpresent still

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learning from the lessons of times 80 years ago right andlike to me that

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that's another definition of learning agility and and youtalk about this that it's not just about I'm learning this skill that's goingto be really helpful

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for me in sales this skill that's going to be really helpfulfor me in marketing but like what are we learning from past

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history or current events or whatever this is to be able tolike fold that into life perspective our ability to you

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know uh convey information to influence other people I thinkyou know that's that's the idea as you said like going

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to an art thing or learning about crypto or anything likethat it may not be something that I initially can see the

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pathways or the connections but then all of a sudden it'syou you do see that connectedness and that's what's so

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powerful about learning is you you recognize after a whileall of this stuff kind of interweaves together into

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who you are how you present yourself what you have tocontribute to an organization what you have to contribute

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to your friends and family too so you I I I love that andyou know um it it does

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make me think though and you know I mean we're we're kind ofuh you know nerd talking to nerd here a little bit but I

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want to Circle back Damon and an ask you a question aboutkind of this you know the first action step I talked about was

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this idea of kind of sponging up as much as you can and umyou talked about kind of being able to uh engage in learning

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however however it makes it work what are some suggestionsor kind of how would you respond I'll come at this from like the deficit

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mindedness I'm sure that you've had some people in your lifebefore have said like yeah Damon that sounds awesome but

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I don't have that kind of time in my day I don't have thatkind of time in my life right now what do you say to those

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folks because I do feel like I hear that way more often nowin the last couple of years than I do of people you know over

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over time well what I would say to those people and this isthis is going to be

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another one of the skills that we talk about in a futureepisode self-awareness is being honest with yourself you know

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and a lot of times the people who who say that they don'thave time they they typically have a victim mentality maybe

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even lack accountability sometimes and I bet you if they satdown and they reflected on the time that they had

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throughout the day yes we're all busy don't get me wrongright but instead of scrolling through uh Instagram or or

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binging on Netflix at the end of the night find time andcarve out time

24:22

listeners I'm not saying you need to spend an hour Imentioned earlier Andy Storch and 15 25 minutes a day you can

24:30

find 25 minutes a day whether it's listening to a podcast asyou drive to

24:36

the grocery store or you you you take your kid for a walkyou can find the

24:41

time it takes to pick up some learning and also you can dothat at work too I

24:47

think that you I mean a whole another topic is aroundmentorship and coaching and all that kind of stuff but you know

24:54

even virtually or um if you're in person if if you are witha a a senior member

25:01

of your team or even somebody Junior you know listen and askquestions these are all opportunities to learn so I don't

25:09

buy in the excuse at all when it comes to when it comes tonot being able to find time for Learning and I you know

25:16

I'm gonna throw you back a question Mickey um that that justkind of popped in my head because you know it's tough

25:22

to create a learning culture um but one of the things thatthat helps with that

25:28

is to whether you have it in your core values or but you youwant to have it in the DNA of people who you bring on board

25:36

and hopefully um for all of those out here listening you'reyou're probably a leader and and you probably have a team

25:43

members who have it in their DNA but as we continue to hiremore do you have any

25:48

recommendations around questions to ask in the interviewprocess or how you can kind of assess out people who have a

25:54

learn itall attitude versus a know-it-all attitudeabsolutely yeah I mean I think yeah assessing assessing

26:01

for learning appetite and learning agility skills I think issuper important right I mean you had um Elias

26:08

Simpson on the podcast talking about you know learning as aas the biggest competitive advantage and we've talked a

26:13

lot about that I think one of the most important things thatthat we can do is those nice open-ended questions that we

26:21

can ask in initial interviews of you know what are threethings that you've learned recently and how did you learn

26:27

that and what did you do with that knowledge um again Ireference back to the very first conversation that you and

26:33

I ever had which is you asked me what are some of yourfavorite books what are you reading right now and what have you done with thatyou asked me that exact

26:39

question was that like a three-hour conversation because wetalked about a lot that time it was it was a couple

26:44

hours it was we we both steamrolled through some other stuffthat we had going on that day but um you know when

26:51

you ask somebody that number one it's that's not the typicalinterview questions that people are ready for you

26:56

know what's your strengths and weaknesses not the that's notimportant um because that is about self-awareness

27:01

which is another topic we're going to talk about but um whatyou're doing is you're assessing number one how quickly

27:08

can somebody tell you what their favorite book is howquickly and and again speed is not everything but it's

27:14

that tip of the tongue thing if I can tell you Damon youknow the book that I'm listening to right now is this and

27:19

you know every night when when you know I'm putting my kidsto sleep and they finally settle in and everything I can't

27:25

wait to get my earbuds in because right you that allows meto know that this is somebody who's really interested in

27:31

learning and again it doesn't have to be books but so Ithink questions um I think the the other creative ways that

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you could ask people about that is you know what are waysthat you're looking to contribute back to the organization

27:42

or contribute back to our industry or our field um that alsogives me a sense

27:48

of what are you doing outside of just earning your paycheckand earning your keep and doing your work within the

27:54

organization obviously we're all here because we're inservice to the org organization but we are in service to an

28:00

industry we're in service to a field we're in service to acommunity and I think asking those types of questions as

28:07

an interviewer my ability to read and understand that wouldgive me that would

28:12

give me so much information about how does this person existin in their world

28:17

right and I can think of there's some been some people thatI have asked questions like that and they you know

28:23

stammer and and and hesitate over it or laugh and say yeahyeah I'm not really I

28:29

don't really do that right like that's not really my thingor I don't have time to read or I don't have time right and

28:36

my response not that it's yeah it is a red flag I mean myresponse is I have a one-year-old and a three-year-old in a

28:41

very busy life and like this is a big value um but it's alsoa necessary value

28:47

I think for a lot of people yeah I mean one of the questionsthat I like to ask

28:52

and listeners I think this is a good bonus one it's kind oflike what Mickey said is share with me what books what

28:59

personal development books do you have on your you know youknow on your bookshelf and it's not about how fast

29:06

they can answer it but if they can't answer it um that'sgreat and then say

29:11

take it at another level okay what did you learn and how didyou apply that I

29:17

think that that's I think that's a great question you knowto see if they read something and if they have an example or

29:22

a story how they applied it another question that u i I liketo ask is

29:28

asking somebody hey at your last company did they have aformal training program and so sometimes people will come back

29:34

and say yes or no and and if if they said especially if theysaid no say okay your company didn't have a formal

29:40

training program what did you do on your own to continue tolearn and grow and

29:46

the individuals who could write away say well you know whatI did I did this this and this I invested in myself I did this

29:51

and this uh compareed to the people said well I didn't doanything because my company didn't take care of me that's one of the reasonswhy I left that that

29:58

shows a lot about ownership right there um so so those are acouple key things

30:04

now we're we're coming up on time I I want to kind of justrecap and help me with the recap um and then I'm GNA have

30:11

you end Mickey with going through the three action steps onemore time but we talked about so many great things we

30:17

talked about why it's so important to learn you know therisks and pitfalls

30:22

what could happen to you personally and for your company ifyou don't have that learning mindset in that learning

30:28

culture we talk about how everybody learns differently youknow so you got to find something that works for you how

30:35

social learning and connection is important how um all thesegreat things

30:40

we talked about so Mickey what else would you want to add tothat that we spoke about and then take it home with

30:46

going through the three steps one more time yeah I would Iwould double down on the social learning piece I think um you

30:52

know learning in Community Learning with each other whetherthat's talking to your spouse partner kids neighbors you

30:58

know being able to share with people what you've learnedwhether it's something that's going on in your community a person you met amovie you

31:04

watched whatever that is that's connectedness right likethat's our relationships I I don't know that people

31:10

spend enough time in relationships with each other not justkind of checklist talking through the things that we're

31:16

supposed to talk to so I think social learning is huge butum so that would be the one I would double down on but if I

31:21

can come back to yeah kind of bring things home with thosethree action steps um super critical and I'd love for people you know like dropus some

31:27

comments drop us a line with other action steps that youwould suggest too but the first one is to sponge up

31:33

information wherever you can wherever right doesn't have tobe traditional sources books workshops anything like

31:39

that it can be really non-traditional sources too and thesecond one is having a growth mindset really looking at um

31:46

Jay Dixon's com uh concept of a failure resume looking atthose missteps those failures what can I do to learn from

31:52

those things but also the power of yet I don't knowsomething yet right it gives you a way a pathway into the future for

31:59

Learning and then that last one again I think the one thatboth you and I really um really want folks to hear which is

32:05

this idea of learning from and with other people so you knowdo do what you can to open yourself and kind of be

32:12

opportunistic and curious with other people um and Pay ItForward right bring what you're learning bring it back to

32:18

the people that you work with the people that you work forsharing videos train the trainer sort of things I love that

32:24

concept I I used to have folks do that of if you go to aconference or some that you come back the next week teach

32:29

it to the rest of us right so those are the three bigConcepts learning agility absolutely I think the competitive

32:35

Advantage for individuals as well as organizations Damon nowMickey you've been awesome here today and we can go on

32:42

forever and nerd out about this never of my wildest dreamsthat I think I would N Out on learning but but I did uh and

32:48

have um how can our audience connect with you yeah yeahplease look me up um

32:53

on LinkedIn Mickey Fitch Collins or you could just searchlearn it and Mickey and you'll find me um I would absolutely

32:59

love to connect with folks send me a message whatever we cando whatever I can do to help support you I'm there for it and one of the thingswe didn't talk

33:06

about because I want you all to connect with me on onLinkedIn as well Damon lmy is um the opportunities to learn and

33:12

grow from the LinkedIn Community which is which is soimportant um you should

33:18

follow Mickey because she she puts out such great content uhI do my best to as

33:23

well and for you leaders out there I think it's importantwhen you're in the interview process to see if you have

33:28

people out there who are engaging on on LinkedIn that'sanother way to see if they have an appetite for learning so

33:34

this has been a great episode what I'd like uh for everybodyout there couple things uh if you like this episode

33:41

please subscribe tell a friend rate and review I'd also likeyou to check out my

33:47

book The learn it all leader uh we talk a lot about thismindset tools and traits to learn it all leader since this

33:53

is a special episode on learning agility go to learn it.comand if you find a

33:58

class that you want for yourself send me or Mickey a DM andwe'll send you a code

34:03

to a free class so take advantage of the learningopportunities that are out there for you make the opportunities for

34:09

yourself and until next time everybody stay curious and keeplearning have a

34:15

great day

 

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